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2017: Episode 8: ISIS Soldiers Returning Home

According to Wikipedia, ISIS has been around since 1999[1].  According to CNN (Yes, I know, Fake News) ISIS started as a splinter group of al Qaeda[2].


ISIS hit the news in 2014 when it started winning battles and managed to defeat the Iraqi army and remove them from Western Iraq, including a defeat at Mosul.  People like me in the West first started seeing them when they started murdering innocent people and beheading them, putting the videos of the beheading on-line.


According to Wikipedia there are 600 UK citizens who went to work and fight for ISIS.  According to the BBC there are in fact 850, with the BBC naming over 200 of them[3].


An example, Ronald Fiddler changed his name to Jamal al-Harith and allegedly became known as Abu Zakariya al-Britani[3].  He was born & raised in Manchester.  As a total innocent (not) he was held in Guantanamo Bay in 2001/02 and was released in 2003/04 (depending on which media source you believe).  he is alleged to have received a million pounds in compensation.  He repaid this by running off to fight for ISIS.  He committed suicide by blowing up his car in an effort to murder Iraqi soldiers[4].  He is absolute scum, the worst of the worst.


Now, suppose he had not killed himself in an effort to murder Iraqi forces.  Imagine he decided he wanted to come back to Manchester now that ISIS has all but been defeated in Iraq and largely defeated in Syria.  Would we let him?


Look at his history.  This man was detained at Guantanamo Bay in 2002 according to the BBC or 2001 according to the Manchester Evening News.  "No smoke without fire" suggests he was there for a reason.  The UK Government under Tony Blair decided to give him one million pounds compensation because of the way he had allegedly unfairly been treated.  He then ends up joining ISIS and murders people and attempts to murder more.  That suggests he should have been kept in Guantanamo Bay and still be there now.  There would be a number of people still alive if that had happened.  the Manchester Evening News says this:


"He had been held captive at the maximum security Camp Delta at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba between 2001 and 2003 after American troops had arrested him in Kandahar for allegedly fighting alongside the Taliban against British and US troops in Afghanistan.


The web designer protested his innocence - claiming he was in Afghanistan to teach English - and his case was championed by civil rights groups and the Tony Blair Government, who campaigned for his release."


The problem I have is that I think, in regards to ISIS, the UK Government is too lenient and too spineless.  I think had this evil terrorist not killed myself in order to murder others, and so would a) be alive and b) his evil crimes not made public, he would present himself to the UK and plead innocence again.  And just like Tony Blair, I suspect bleeding heart liberals would let this scum bag back in to the country.


For clarity, my position is that the UK Government should kill as many of these people over in Syria and Iraq as they can.  Drop bombs on them.  Use drones to shoot them.  The BBC website[3] says that there are 81 of the 276 named are still alive in Syria and Iraq.  I list their names below[5].  Given the loss of Mosul and Raqa, I suspect many are now in a jail cell somewhere.  Jihadi Jack (Jack Letts) for instance, is now under arrest in a jail cell in Syria[6].  I hope they try him as a terrorist and execute him. Never should any of these b*stards be allowed back into the UK.  If we cannot drone them, then let's ask Donald Trump if we can house them in Guantanamo Bay for the rest of their lives.  Never, ever should these evil people be allowed to roam the streets of the UK, because we can never, ever know whether they are truly repentant or whether they are in fact coming back in order to carry out a terrorist attack to murder people.  They chose ISIS, they therefore have no rights left. They are traitors and as far as I am concerned they should not be allowed to kill one single person, and if that means depriving them of their liberty for the rest of their lives, good, do it.  If we can use a drone to bomb them before they get the chance to try and come back, good, let's do it.


On 22 October 2017 Rory Stewart OBE the minister for international development[7], stated that all ISIS members should be killed before they had a chance to come back to the UK[8].  A lot of people cheered for this. he said:


"These are people who have essentially moved away from any kind of allegiance towards the British Government. "They are absolutely dedicated, as members of the Islamic State, towards the creation of a caliphate, they believe in an extremely hateful doctrine which involves killing themselves, killing others and trying to use violence and brutality to create an eighth century, or seventh century, state.


"So I'm afraid we have to be serious about the fact these people are a serious danger to us, and unfortunately the only way of dealing with them will be, in almost every case, to kill them."


I whole-heartedly agree with him on this.


What is Treason?


Treason Act 1351 (and yes, it is still in force) is starting block for Treason definitions[9]:


Declaration what Offences shall be adjudged Treason. Compassing the Death of the King, Queen, or their eldest Son; violating the Queen, or the King’s eldest Daughter unmarried, or his eldest Son’s Wife; levying War; adhering to the King’s Enemies; killing the Chancellor, Treasurer, or Judges in Execution of their Duty.

ITEM, Whereas divers Opinions have been before this Time in what Case Treason shall be said, and in what not; the King, at the Request of the Lords and of the Commons, hath made a Declaration in the Manner as hereafter followeth, that is to say; When a Man doth compass or imagine the Death of our Lord the King, or of our Lady his Queen or of their eldest Son and Heir; or if a Man do violate the King’s Companion, or the King’s eldest Daughter unmarried, or the Wife the King’s eldest Son and Heir; or if a Man do levy War against our Lord the King in his Realm, or be adherent to the King’s Enemies in his Realm, giving to them Aid and Comfort in the Realm, or elsewhere, and thereof be probably attainted of open Deed by the People of their Condition: . . ., and if a Man slea the Chancellor, Treasurer, or the King’s Justices of the one Bench or the other, Justices in Eyre, or Justices of Assise, and all other Justices assigned to hear and determine, being in their Places, doing their Offices: And it is to be understood, that in the Cases above rehearsed,  that ought to be judged Treason which extends to our Lord the King, and his Royal Majesty:


There is also the Treason Act 1695[10], Treason Act 1708[11], Treason Act 1814[12], Treason Act 1842[13] (in which you can still be deported to Australia if found guilty!!); Treason Felony Act 1848[14] (another one where you will be transported beyond the seas if found guilty); and finally the Treason Act 1945[15], which is what we would use for bringing a prosecution in addition to the 1351 Act.


Treason Act 1814 confirms that the sentence for High Treason is imprisonment for life.  The former rule, in which death was the sentence, was all removed in 1998.


The Minister of State for Security, Ben Wallace[16] has confirmed that the UK faces a serious threat from ISIS because ISIS has all but lost the war and the scum bags will now want to come home[17].  According to the Evening Standard, this is what he said:


"Mr Wallace told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "I think the threat is still increasing, partly driven by the fact Isis is collapsing in Syria and people are either unable to get out there to fight for Isis and so they look to do something at home, or also because people have come back and tried to inspire people with their stories and tales of the caliphate.

"I think those two things mean that the threat is to some extent increasing."

Mr Wallace rejected suggestions that the Government's voluntary anti-radicalisation programme, Prevent, could be made compulsory."


And that, for every day folk, is the crux.  These people will come back from ISIS and amongst them will be people who intend on recruiting and/or murdering.  ISIS was a band of scum that had at its core a desire to murder and rape.  It is truly ironic that one of their recruitment claims was that they are fighting against British troops who rape and murder muslim women, when in fact the biggest murderers and the most frequent rapists are the ISIS muslims themselves.  They are a disgusting group of people and, as noted above, should be subjected to a few bombs dropped on their heads.  For those that cannot be killed, they should be locked in a dark hole and left to rot for the rest of their natural born lives.  They cannot poison the minds of anyone if they are locked away with no hope of ever being released.


So - share your thoughts.  What would you do with these evil scum bags?






[1] Wikipedia Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant


[2] CNN17 October 2017 ISIS Fast Facts


[3] BBC News 12 October 2017 "Who are Britain’s jihadists?"


[4] Manchester Evening News 24 February 2017 "ISIS suicide bomber from Manchester was 'utterly changed' by Guantanamo Bay, his family say"


[5] [3] BBC News 12 October 2017 "Who are Britain’s jihadists?"


Lucas Kinney

Muhammed Abdul Mannan

Siddhartha Dhar

Issam Abuanza

Mohammed Kadir

Farzana Ameen

Imran Ameen

Ibrahim Adil Bashir Ageed

Mohammed Saleem Mohamed Ahmed El-Raba'a

Naweed Hussain

Mohamed Adil Bashir Ageed

Rehan Ameen

Sugra Dawood

Zohra Dawood

Khajida Dawood

Mohammed Saleh Hussain

Minera Khatun

Mohammed Abil Kashem Saker

Rajia Khanom

Sheida Khanam

Roshanara Begum

Mohammed Toufique Hussain

Mohammed Zayd Hussain

Tasneem Suliman

Swaleh Mohammed

Deqo Osman

Nada Sami Khider

Hassan Munshi

Tamir Ahmed Abusibah

Lojain Abusibah

Ibrahim Amouri

Lena Mamoun Abdelgadir

Khalid Abdul-Rahman

Shamima Begum

Amira Abase

Musadikur Rohaman

Zohura Siddeka

Abdelatif Gaini

Abu Zayd al-Britani

Sharmeena Begum

Aisha Tariq

Samya Dirie

Julie Maes

Anouar Haddouchi

Yusra Hussien

Sajid Aslam

Raymond Matimba

Safio Halfaoui

Zahra Halane

Salma Halane

Ahmed Ali

Hamzah Parvez

Mohammod Alom

Mohammed Ismail

Aseel Muthana

Mohammed Reza Haque

Omar Hussain

Nur Hassan

Abu Usama Britani

Shabazz Suleman

Daha Essa

Abu Maryam Muhajir, Mohammed Awlaki

Aqsa Mahmood

Amer Deghayes

Amer Shajira

Mohammed Choudhury

Jafar Turay

Nero Saraiva

El Shafee Elsheikh

Abu Waqqas al-Albani

Ibrahim Kabir Sadik

Hamayun Tariq

Ahmed Dawood

Abu Dujanah

Nasser Muthana

Umm Asiya Muhajirah

Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary

Alex Kotey

Grace Dare

Mohammed Fakhri Al-Khabass

Jack Letts


[6] BBC News 28 October 2017 "'Jihadi Jack' charged with being IS member, Kurdish officials say"


[7] Her Majesty's British Government "Minister of State for International Development and Minister of State for Africa at the Foreign & Commonwealth Office Rory Stewart OBE MP"


[8] Telegraph 22 October 2017 "'The only way' of dealing with British Islamic State fighters is to kill them in almost every case, minister says"


[9] Treason Act 1351


[10] Treason Act 1695


[11] Treason Act 1708


[12] Treason Act 1814


[13] Treason Act 1842


[14 Treason Felony Act 1848


[15] Treason Act 1945


[16] Her Majesty's Government The Right Hon Ben Walker MP, Minister of State for Security


[17] London Evening Standard 19 August 2017 " UK terror threat rising as Islamic State loses ground in Syria, security minister Ben Wallace warns"




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